i listened to the new nin album. not as good as the downward sprial, but better than the fragile... or at the very least, more focused. it sounds a bit too perfect though. thus is the problem with living in 2005. everything looks and sounds 100% hi-res digital perfect. many projects in motion. all of them good with the exception of the drum sound on the ashes song "lovers in antipodes." it's kinda crap. must re-think. re-examine. the various ashes sites online are being updated. we are in "dim" mode right now as we are getting ready to make the final push toward a complete and possibly double album.